# How a Trained Therapist Diagnoses Healthy Dev Teams w/ Engineer & Entrepreneur, Kelly Vaughn | Dev Interrupted Powered by LinearB

> Kelly Vaughn is an engineer & entrepreneur by trade and a trained therapist by education. Who would have guessed a degree in clinical social work was the perfect preparation to be an engineering manager?

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How a Trained Therapist Diagnoses Healthy Dev Teams w/ Engineer & Entrepreneur, Kelly Vaughn

# How a Trained Therapist Diagnoses Healthy Dev Teams w/ Engineer & Entrepreneur, Kelly Vaughn

By Kelly Vaughn

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July 22, 2022

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Not only is Kelly Vaughn one of the pioneers in building thought-leadership content for the developer community, she’s one of the rare programmers who comes to the craft with the background of a trained therapist.

From knowing what content devs need to grow to being able to recognize the cognitive-behavioral impacts of the developer experience, Kelly Vaughn is truly one of our most unique guests to date.

In our conversation, Kelly leveraged her background as a therapist to explore what dev orgs should be doing to recognize developers as unique human beings, with their own feelings, motivations and biases.

A discipline-crossing discussion, this pod is invaluable if you’re thinking about what a healthy dev team should look like as well as how to build one.

### Episode Highlights Include:

* (1:09) Ladybug podcast
* (4:44) Kelly's degree in clinical social work
* (12:37) What not to share on social media
* (19:01) Why burnout is not a "24 hour flu"
* (22:23) Bringing more empathy into 1:1s
* (23:50-31:27) Dealing with Imposter Syndrome, negative self-talk & toxic positivity
* (41:41) Dangers of comparing yourself to others
(44:51) Importance of building your network as an entrepreneur

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