# How to Train Devs to Disrupt Industries w/ Lessen's CTO Chris Bee | Dev Interrupted Powered by LinearB > Chris Bee, CTO at Lessen, joins us to discuss how he empowered his dev team to disrupt the $400b real estate industry. _This is a markdown rendering of a live HTML page on linearb.io, generated for AI/LLM consumption — it is not a markdown-only site. To get the full HTML page instead, request this URL with an explicit `Accept: text/html` header (no wildcard, no markdown preference)._ [Podcast](https://linearb.io/dev-interrupted/podcasts) / How to Train Devs to Disrupt Industries w/ Lessen's CTO Chris Bee # How to Train Devs to Disrupt Industries w/ Lessen's CTO Chris Bee By Chris Bee | July 1, 2022 ![Chris_Bee_Podcast_Card_6657b32d92](https://assets.linearb.io/image/upload/c_limit,w_2560/f_auto/q_auto/v1/Chris_Bee_Podcast_Card_6657b32d92?_a=BAVMn6ID0) Not all dev orgs work in all situations. Especially if your dev org is looking to completely reshape and disrupt an entire industry. That’s why we were so excited to talk to Chris Bee, CTO of Lessen. Lessen is looking to change the way property owners hire vetted professionals for renovation, maintenance and turn services. That means so much of what their programmers are building hasn’t been built before. Chris opened up about how the company trains and empowers developers to design and build things customers didn’t know they wanted. He also goes in depth about how to bring those new ideas to market when it can seem like the ground is shifting every minute. ### Episode Highlights Include: * (1:35) Growing opportunity to solve less obvious problems * (6:32) Engineering ride-alongs * (13:53) Choosing a market to disrupt * (23:13) [Chris'](https://www.chrisbee.com/writings) Discover/Design/Develop/Deploy model * (29:27) Phased approach to building products and features * (36:35) Having engineers talk to customers & vendors ## Real conversations with top engineering leaders Find us on [](https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/dev-interrupted/) [](https://devinterrupted.substack.com/) ## Your next listen [![Cover image for Models escaping containment, intelligence becoming a commodity, and AI code review to the rescue](https://assets.linearb.io/image/upload/c_limit,w_2560/f_auto/q_auto/v1/ai_models_containment_code_review_commoditization_7ea901a97a?_a=BAVMn6ID0)](https://linearb.io/dev-interrupted/podcast/ai-agent-sandbox-escape-open-source-models-code-review-bottlenecks) Dev Interrupted [Models escaping containment, intelligence becoming a commodity, and AI code review to the rescue](https://linearb.io/dev-interrupted/podcast/ai-agent-sandbox-escape-open-source-models-code-review-bottlenecks) On this episode of the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew break down the Hugging Face security breach caused by an OpenAI model, the rapid rise of open-source... 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