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> Senior Engineers Hyrum Wright & Titus Winters join DI to discuss their new book: "Software Engineering at Google"

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Lessons Learned from Programming at Google w/ Hyrum Wright & Titus Winters

# Lessons Learned from Programming at Google w/ Hyrum Wright & Titus Winters

By Hyrum Wright & Titus Winters

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September 6, 2022

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Today, we are releasing the full interview of one of our favorite episodes: Dan’s 2021 conversation with engineers-turned-authors, Hyrum Wright & Titus Winters.

As two of the most senior staff engineers at Google, both guests brought a deep understanding of software engineering to the show: Hyrum is semi-famous as the "Hyrum" of [Hyrum's Law](https://www.hyrumslaw.com/); while Titus is responsible for managing 250 million lines of code.

In their brilliant book [_Software Engineering at Google: Lessons Learned from Programming Over Time_](https://abseil.io/resources/swe-book), Hyrum & Titus explore the engineering practices that make one of the largest codebases in the world sustainable and healthy. 

### Episode Highlights Include:

* (1:37) Google's strategic goal with its codebase
* (5:09) How the 'Flamingo book' came to be
* (8:01) The role of time in relation to software
* (10:35)
* (15:23) What is the real goal of software engineering?
* (17:47) Problems of scale at Google
* (23:24) Consumption of sublinear resources
* (28:18) When shifting left is a bad thing
* (30:25) Science of trade-offs
* (37:00) Constraints are your friend, not your enemy
* (42:46) Hire good people first, good programmers second

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