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> Dominica DeGrandis, author of 'Making Work Visible', discusses how to overcome resistance to change within your organization.

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Running Experiments To Create Change

# Running Experiments To Create Change

By Dominica DeGrandis

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March 31, 2021

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Change is difficult.

And it’s even more difficult if you’re the one trying to make change happen. But as more organizations start modernizing their software development workflows, like going from story points to cycle time, change is something we need to learn how to implement.

That’s where Dominica DeGrandis comes in.

As the Chief Flow Advisor at TaskTop and author of [_Making Work Visible_](https://ddegrandis.com/book/), Dominica DeGrandis has been helping teams make big changes for decades. She joins us on Dev Interrupted to explain why change is necessary and how to approach making positive change within your organization.

### Episode Highlights include:

* How to overcome resistance to change
* Flow and the 3 metrics behind it
* Strategies for making a new change stick
* Why Velocity and Story Points don’t work anymore
* The types of experiments to run within an organization

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